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| Posted: 09 Feb 2008 08:11 | ||
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I tell ya much of this episode was just painful (and I mean painful) to sit through.
For starters watching Smash try to parade around and try to convince the college coaches to take him was just attrocious. Let's see here. Him doing that not only proves that he got suspended for punching some kids but that he also has an attitude problem (and only affirms to the coaches that not selecting him was a wise move). And why in the world would he be paying so much attention to what that girl has to say on the subject at hand. Smash's mama just should have tied her up and thrown her in the basement so we could have been spared having to listen to her talk in this episode. And oh my gosh two years of character development for Jason Street culminates in him acting like a thirteen year old who is having his first real sexual crush. Let's see here he has a one night stand and then he tries calling her ten times with no response and still he thinks he is in love and that she is just 'confused'. And then he finds out that he got the one night stand pregnant (of whom failed to return his calls ten times again I might add) and he suddenly thinks that he can be a good daddy and the one night stand can be a good momma and that they can be good together. Geez. I would of thought that the time he spent around Lyla would have made him a little more knowledgeable about boy/girl relationships than that. And why in the world did they include such a stupid storyline about the wife's highschool boyfriend coming to town and making the coach jealous. Oh wait....I know the answer to that.....Because the same people who thought of that story are probably the same jokers who thought up the murder plot and the drug dealer story too. Here is a link which talks about FNL's future. All in all. Unless they got about three times as many people to watch this episode as they normally do the chances that you will ever see anymore FNL is not very good. http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausi ... |
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| Posted: 09 Feb 2008 17:42 Last Edited By: eanders | ||
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| Seriously, shut the fuck up. This is a FNL FANsite. Maybe you're too esoteric for the show but there's people here that actually like it and want it to succeed. Whatever, we're all aware it's probably not coming back. You don't have to drill it into our heads you asshole. Maybe you should quit coming to these board and see what's been going on at your adult diaper festish website. Come on, we all know it's on your favorites. I watch Lost too, so I know a thing or two about quality television. Jesus, your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory. | ||
| Posted: 09 Feb 2008 18:17 | ||
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| Well if you are a FNL fan I reccomend not talking a whole lot. You give backbone to the works that have been made on here about how FNL has a bit of an immature fan base. | ||
| Posted: 09 Feb 2008 18:42 Last Edited By: eanders | ||
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| Oh boo hoo hoo, cry me a river. What's immature is your cockiness thinking that anyone would want to read your opinion. Newsflash princess, nobody cares. You want to talk about immaturity? The only reason you post on here is to get a rise out of people. It probably helps you get off. | ||
| Posted: 09 Feb 2008 20:00 | ||
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| lastcat3 all i've got to say is that u r a fuckin cunt! | ||
| Posted: 09 Feb 2008 20:40 | ||
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Give me a break eanders. If you've noticed I've kept my posts all about the topic at hand (FNL). And they all have been my personal reviews about the episodes (which is what messageboards about shows are for( to talk about the episodes of the show)). Like has been stated before if you can't take other individuals opinions other than your own than maybe it's best that you not log onto messageboards.
PRGuy's and I's posts (while negative in general about the quality of the show) have been respectful in nature that we have kept the threads flame free and have stayed on topic. Maybe you and Malaxer should take a step back and come back when you learn how to do the same. |
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| Posted: 09 Feb 2008 21:21 | ||
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| Awwww, did I huwt your widdle feewings? If you want you can get your mommy to come beat me up. | ||
| Posted: 09 Feb 2008 21:31 | ||
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Ahhh that must be why you have completely accepted season 2 of Friday Night Lights. Your minds still on the Looney Toons stage of life.
Give it a rest eanders. You're not making a good statement about those who actually still back this show. |
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| Posted: 09 Feb 2008 21:40 | ||
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| Who said I backed it? I just think you're an asshole. | ||
| Posted: 10 Feb 2008 07:16 | ||
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| You get upset pretty easily don't you. | ||
| Posted: 10 Feb 2008 12:27 | ||
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Alright, I'm new to this message board and let me tell you, I'm appalled by what I am reading. For FNL fans, y'all are acting the complete opposite of what
this show represents. Lastcat3, obviously, you have very strong opinions and you are entitled to them. I don't exactly approve of the way the following posts towards you came across. I must admit that after a little awhile, I began to lose my patience and I felt the same way. However, on a tamer note, I say to you that the attitude you are displaying on this message board is what keeps people away from the show when we're trying to help save it. I agree with you on some things. Yes, there have been a few bum episodes and yes, there have been issues with the plot in trying to attract viewers. So I understand where you're coming from. I was frustrated and disappointed in the beginning of the second season. I wondered, "What happened to the Friday Night Lights I love so dearly? Why are the writers trying to morph into a Gossip Girl/One Tree Hill-esque show in Texas?" It is so easy to criticize something when you have no idea what's actually going on behind the scenes and beyond. Does anyone who writes on this message board write professionally or know someone who does? Do y'all have any idea what it's like? The producers at NBC obviously, did not lock in a full second season. If you're granted a script by script basis for each show or every two shows, what do you think is going to happen? The writers have to sell it to the producers and the producers know that the majority of the population is very ADHD. I mean, obviously since the show had abysmal ratings in season one despite the fact that its quality exceeded almost everything NBC offered. So, when you're a writer and you know the show is barely making it despite the fact that you are writing a brilliant show, what do you do? If you're involved with a show that nails all the beautiful subtlety and undertones in the writing, acting, and directing that most of ADHD America completely misses, what do you do? And lastcat3, I have to answer to a few of those complaints you had about Street, Smash, the jealous bf plot, and the racism issue. Did you not remember in season one, when Buddy and Jason had the frank conversation about the uncertain future between him and Lyla? About whether or not they could have children? All the stats were against Jason in whether or not he could ever become a father. In fact, Jason had issues about whether or not he was even able to have sex again. So, yes, maybe he was a little overeager and all but if you actually took a minute to recall the hell he experienced in season one and everything he had to deal with, that response makes sense. Okay, Smash, HELLO, do you NOT remember him in season one? OF COURSE he's arrogant and prideful! He's THE SMASH BABY. He's a star player! He's also sensitive. He's also the heart of the team. He pumps everyone up before a game. For you to dismiss him like that probably means you didn't really like him as a character to begin with. The ex-bf episode, I know wasn't the best but the guy who played him was Peter Berg, the creator of FNL on the network. They wanted him to have a guest spot on the show at some point, so that's how they worked him in. The racism thing...I mean, your attitude about "enough already" irritates me. Racism still exists dude. If you've ever read the book, you would see the major role racism plays in the community. People dished out the n-word like they would say "and" or "the" as if there was nothing wrong with it. The book was written in the 80s and I highly doubt that a complete change in attitude has taken place. I drove through Texas on the freeway, in 2006 mind you, and there was a Confederate Flag on the back of some jeep a few neo-nazi type guys were in. For the writers to ignore the issue of racism is irresponsible writing and frankly, oblivious to reality. I think you've been so jaded by FNL not being what you expected that you've already written the show off after the first few episodes. I say that because the writers have sneaked in season 1-esque moments into this season that if you don't pay close attention, you miss it completely. NBC is making it nearly impossible for the writers to please the faithful viewers and attract a new audience. So if you're going to get mad, get mad at the network. On the NBC website, if you look up the Black Donnelly's, there are pages of pissed viewers because the suits took the show off the air on a cliffhanger. Apparently, it was a high quality show, like the FNL we all knew and loved and off the air after one season. I mean, imagine if that happened to this one? |
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| Posted: 11 Feb 2008 23:17 | ||
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PLEASE lay off the ad hominem attacks on lastcat. Nobody is saying the PEOPLE who continue to think this is the best show on TV are stupid, etc. Personally, I am disappointed in the writers for not living up to the promise this show held for a new direction in teen drama.
So, now who's going to call me an "a-hole" and a "c--t" for expressing my opinion? Anyway, on to what most likely will be the series finale of FNL. I too was disappointed, as I have been most of the season, with the lack of forethought put into the storylines. However, there were some bright spots for me: - Saracen telling Landry (in so many words) "Tyra is playing you." Thank goodness someone is talking sense to him. - Smash showing some humility and accepting a scholarship from a C-list school. I loved how they showed the "alternative" - $40,000 a year playing arena football. - Street's dilemma. Yeah, a bit contrived, but still a storyline I would have loved to see play out. Now for the bad news. Here are a few representative moments from the last episode that give a clear indication of just how far downhill this show went between seasons: - Lyla and Riggins. OK, I get it - there needs to be some tension. And while I like the idea (she's got the straight-laced Xian boyfriend who's nice, but she wants the bad boy because he's exciting) it's pretty cliched and not all that appealing to a 30-something dad like me. - Mrs. Coach's ex. I did not know this was a Peter Berg cameo, but now that I know the whole subplot makes a little more sense. The whole thing seemed almost sitcom-y - the rich ex comes into town in his helicopter and makes hubby feel insecure, which devolves into a fistfight, which thoroughly disgusts the wife, but secretly makes her smile because men are fighting over her. I just thought the whole thing was out of character for both Mr. and Mrs. Coach. - Julie. OK as you all know, I have a major star crush on Aimee Teegarden. But since the first couple of season two eps, she has been pretty much absent from the scripts. A few brooding scenes here, a screaming match with mom there...there's nothing of substance for those of us who love Julie. Keep her pining for Riggins. Keep her pining for her teacher. Give me anything but mom teaching her how to drive. - Jumping around. Now, one of the things I loved about this show was it wasn't a traditional, linear drama. But in season two, the writers left entire subplots unexplored or ignored. Julie's love life, for example, or Santiago's difficulty adjusting to school, football, etc. What about Buddy's ex wife remarrying? What about Riggins' financial trouble? And, who's taking care of Matt's grandma now that Carlotta is gone? It used to be that the weekly football schedule guided the linear nature of the narrative - each week, all plots would spoke out from the game that week (or, if it was a bye week, the plots grew out of the players' downtime). It seems that by season two (and I have to agree with lastcat here), the writers had no idea how they were going to proceed with the story, so they threw out the old convention of tying episodic content to the football games and just decided to copy the teen soap formula of the O.C. or 90210. Listen, I am SAD this show is going off the air. I enjoyed watching this show, even at the very end. But even the most ardent fans of FNL have to agree that the quality of the writing we all used to love about the show suffered greatly in the second season. The actors are amazing. The production is unique. But you know, if I wanted to watch a straight-up high school drama, I would watch Degrassi. I loved FNL because it WASN'T formulaic. But even if they made a few more eps and closed out the series properly, I doubt the writers could re-capture that first season magic. My hope is that a cable net will pick up the show and produce new episodes. I know it's a longshot, but at least we would know the ratings pressure-cooker would be toned down and the writers and producers could focus on making this a great drama, not a ratings powerhouse to compete with "Who Wants to Make a Deal" or whatever that stupid briefcase show is called. Oh wait, that's on the same network. Never mind. Do we even need to ASK why NBC let us down, when they produce dreck like that? So long for now, everyone. Lastcat, the wife and I are definitely picking up Lost on DVD. Season one was out of stock at Hollywood Video, so we are going to buy the first season. Thanks for the tip. Oh, and whoever is moderating this board, please ban "eanders" - this user clearly is a troll with nothing constructive to say. |
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| Posted: 12 Feb 2008 04:22 | ||
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Good talkin to ya Prguy. I think you guys will definitely enjoy watching Lost (much more of an adult drama and adult mystery).
If you have any questions regarding the mysteries of the show I can answer them for you on here (I'll try to give you the information necessary to where you are currently at in the show without spoiling anything that you would find out about in the future). They have really active Lost messageboards but their would be a big risk of getting spoiled if you logged on to them before you were caught up. |
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| Posted: 12 Feb 2008 08:53 | ||
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Although I was disappointed in the second season, I had a lot of favorite moments. For one, I love almost every scene that has Smash's mother. She's an excellent actress. She's tough yet compassionate and tender. When Julie said, "Go to hell," to Tami, I'm glad she got slapped. You do NOT say that to your parents. There's also that great scene when Eric grabbed Matt and threw him in the bath tub to knock some sense into him. That scene is definitely one of my faves.
As a Christian, I'm glad they showed practical aspects of Christianity. When Lyla answered the call from the girl who was embarrassed to pray in the cafeteria, I cried because real Christians deal with that everyday whether it be in school or at work. I almost forgot to mention the first call she got about whether or not oral sex was against the Bible. I mean, it was really funny yet something that all unmarried Christians are dealing with. I really hope that this show will be picked up for a 3rd season. I would hate to see it go. I have faith in the writers. I think that it's possible for FNL to recapture and transcend what made it so extraordinary to begin with. |
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Do you know why Smash's girlfriend from season 1 didn't appear in season 2 at all? Did the actress who played her not want to come back or did the writers simply choose not to bring her back? I was also surprised how little Tyra's mom appeared in season 2 as well when in season 1 she was very apparent.
And honestly Alias aside from the murder plot and the drug dealer guy I thought Lyla's storyline was one of the poorest aspects of season 2. It was extremely obvious that they just played up Lyla's religious conversion just so they could do a little good girl/bad boy storyline. It would have been so much more interesting if they played the religious conversion off of the divorce that Lyla's family went through and the emotional hardships she was facing at the time. But alas, they had to scrap that idea and instead turn it in a direction that would bring along more Riggins screen time. And the whole oral sex reference just showed how immature FNL had become this season. Any highschool girl who is interested in going down on her boyfriend be sure to tune into Friday Night Lights to see if she has to go to confession if she does it. Give me a break. How many other primetime television shows outright just start talking about oral sex? Like I said in an earlier thread if you want to give references to sexual encounters just say the word sex and let the viewers imagination go from there. If Friday Night Lights had gotten Lyla's storyline right Lyla's dad should have been the other major player in her storyline not Riggins. |
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I honestly don't know the behind the scenes about the actress who played Waverly's disappearance. However, there's a casual explanation in the eppy when Smash advised Matt to tell his gf he wanted an open relationship because that's what he did with Waverly. The desired result would be her breaking up with him instead of him hurting her which ended up happening.
This is only a guess but the uncertainty of the shows' future probably hindered the commitment of the actors'. I mean, if that's what they do for a living and the show they're working on most likely will be canceled, they're apt to find work elsewhere. That's only a guess though. I'm in the creative arts and if I was working on a show with an uncertain future and I have bills to pay, I need to make sure I have a job after this one's over. I honestly don't know how ratings are calculated but I'm sure it's bogus. Alright, the Lyla/phone call thing: I agree that the Lyla storyline wasn't the best. As I mentioned before, I have my fair share of disappointments for this past season. About the phone call, I respect your opinion but I disagree with you. I honestly found it funny and realistic because although I'm a Christian, I'm far from being perfect and innocent. I've had experiences where I look back and go, whoa, I shouldn't have done that with whomever. I also find it funny and realistic because I've had co-workers ask me very frank questions about the technicalities of sex and whether or not it's a sin to have oral before marriage or even to please yourself. I think the current stats regarding teens who lose their virginity before they graduate HS is still above 50%. So obviously, it's a very important issue. Speaking of callers on the radio, have you ever listened to Loveline with Dr. Drew and Adam Corolla? I don't even know if it's on the air anymore but I used to when I was a teenager. Anyway, the questions and conversations about sex and all get a lot worse so the question on FNL, honestly, was very, very tame. It's also one that youngsters secretly talk about with their friends (especially nowadays since sex is displayed everywhere in the media) but rarely with their parents. I'm the daughter of immigrants and so, given the fact that the culture is completely different here than what my parents know and other immigrants as well, I'm definitely not going to ask them about that topic. I see how you would find it immature and inappropriate but despite that, I thought it was handled well. Lyla and Chris (is that his name?) both cringed with discomfort as they were listening to the question which I thought was great. It is an uncomfortable subject but it is necessary for teenagers who are very curious about adult things to ask questions and talk to responsible adults. On the same note, I honestly think that it's about time that a question like that is not only brought to light on primetime but dealt with in a mature manner. Honestly, there were times when I would watch a scene /episode the first time and go, "Ay carramba! WHAT ARE THEY DOING?" Then, my masochistic self watches a couple of episodes again or a specific moment caught my attention and I would watch it again. So, although the show messed up in a lot of ways (mostly in efforts to boost ratings), I still couldn't help but remain captivated by how truly talented the cast is and the moments of great writing and acting. I'm a writer and I love to act. The lines that these actors get to say are a great privilege. I had to play Sandy when my HS did the musical Grease. Let me tell you, delivering those lines was a painful experience because the script is horrid. Yes, I know there were huge holes in terms of where the writers were going with the storyline and all. However, there were many moments of great writing that initially, are very easy to miss because the lines are so natural; they are things normal people or that weird guy you know would say. So, although I'm not as satisfied as I would have liked to be regarding season two, I'm still supporting the show and I'm planning on purchasing the DVD. Hopefully, they'll have candid behind the scenes conversations which would inadvertently, answer our numerous questions. |
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I thought the Lyla/Xianity storyline was believable. Not only was she searching for answers re: her parents divorce, but she clearly felt regret over the whole Street/Riggins situation. Personal hardship is a big reason why people turn to organized religion. But to lastcat's point, I don't like how they turned this character trait into yet another reason to create sexual tension with Riggins.
As for the oral sex discussion, I think this is a pretty realistic topic for teens, Xian or not. We can all thank President Clinton for that. I'm just thankful they didn't make it all preachy and moralistic like other teen dramas. Besides, I think the real sin is to have Lyla as your girlfriend and NOT have sex with her. |
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| Posted: 18 Feb 2008 05:52 Last Edited By: cindy01 | ||
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New here, but I do want to point out that the oral sex thing wasn't really as shocking or horrible as you're making it out to be. It's not even all that unusual for FNL. Do you recall the storyline in season 1 where a rally girl came to Tami and told her that "her Panther" wanted her to do a 3-way?
Oh, and I'm a moderator at a Lost messageboard. At my board, Eanders and Malaxer would have been banned so fast their heads would still be spinning for using that kind of language. Shame on you. |
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| Oh yeah! I absolutely remember that. I've been watching season one on DVD all week and I almost forgot about the three-way thing. Thanks for the remind. | ||
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| Cindy are you a moderator at the Fuselage? | ||
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